On the topic of Jay Cutler

On the topic of Jay Cutler

Postby KyleCleric on Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:09 am

McDaniels and Bowlen, sit Cutler down till he grows up. If it's 3 years, so be it.
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Re: On the topic of Jay Cutler

Postby MikeDead on Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:32 pm

Eh, ship the kid to Tampa.
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Re: On the topic of Jay Cutler

Postby KyleCleric on Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:11 pm

honestly, McDaniels and Bowlen should just screw the guy. If he doesn't want to do his job for them, don't let him do it elsewhere. It's not going to hurt their cap too much and sends the message that a mediocre starting quarterback isn't going to control what their team does.
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Re: On the topic of Jay Cutler

Postby MikeDead on Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:55 pm

If the plan is to move on from Cutler, I think McDaniels would be far better off to get a draft pick or two in return for Cutler and try to salary dump him to a team like Tampa or NY Jets who have been rumored to be showing interest. No point in having all that guranteed money rotting on the bench.
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Re: On the topic of Jay Cutler

Postby KyleCleric on Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:16 pm

MikeDead wrote:If the plan is to move on from Cutler, I think McDaniels would be far better off to get a draft pick or two in return for Cutler and try to salary dump him to a team like Tampa or NY Jets who have been rumored to be showing interest. No point in having all that guranteed money rotting on the bench.


Mike, he either plays or doesn't get paid. according to his contract, he plays and gets $1,035,000 in base salary. If he doesn't do workouts, he loses $100k. If he doesn't play at least 70% of the snaps, he loses a lot more money. If the team, releases or trades him, he costs $4,732,500 against their cap. If they keep him benched, he costs $2,612,500 against the cap. If he actually plays 70% of his snaps this season, he earns $4M in bonuses. I would think the easiest way to resolve this between Cutler and the Broncos is to guarantee that $4M. Both sides want him to earn it. Cutler can save himself from looking anymore like an ass. The Broncos will be secure in their QB situation.


Here are some notes on Cutler's contract coming from ianwhetstone.com:

Jay Cutler

2006 6/18.1125 TRV, 47.8625 TRMV, .275/.36/.6475/1.035/1.4225/1.81 BS
2006 1.275 RB
2006-2010 2.75 NLTBE
2007 7.8875 OB/5
2008-2011 .1 WO
2010 4 RB (incentivized)
2011 12 RB (incentivized)
3 PTI

PFT: the reported maximum value of $48 million over six years is an exaggeration, and that the true maximum value of the deal is $38 million… We're also told that $14 million of the contract is buried in the sixth year, via a $4 million roster bonus and incentives based on minimum playing time.

Legwold: The contract, counting escalators and incentives, includes $11 million in bonuses. It includes about 45 percent performance incentives, and if Cutler hits them all, it will be worth $47.86 million. Among the performance bonuses are $1.95 million for any year in the first five years of the deal that he finishes in the top five in any of the league's major passing categories, as well as a $4 million bonus for taking 60 percent of the offensive snaps in any three years or 70 percent of the snaps in 2009. There also is a potential $500,000 bonus in each of the first five years for taking 70 percent of the snaps and either taking 70 percent of the snaps in a Super Bowl or winning a Super Bowl.

Klis: 2007 salary: $11.2 million (includes $3 million bonus if he takes 45 percent of 2007 snaps).
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Re: On the topic of Jay Cutler

Postby MikeDead on Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:31 pm

Best case scenario for both sides is that he plays. But if it comes down to benching him, or trading him. You have to trade him, get some help to retool during the draft. No sense in just benching him to save yourself around 2M against the cap.
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Re: On the topic of Jay Cutler

Postby KyleCleric on Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:39 pm

MikeDead wrote:Best case scenario for both sides is that he plays. But if it comes down to benching him, or trading him. You have to trade him, get some help to retool during the draft. No sense in just benching him to save yourself around 2M against the cap.


of course there is reason to bench him instead of trading him. you save yourself millions in cap space and screw over someone who is trying to screw you over.
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Re: On the topic of Jay Cutler

Postby MikeDead on Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:41 am

KyleCleric wrote:
MikeDead wrote:Best case scenario for both sides is that he plays. But if it comes down to benching him, or trading him. You have to trade him, get some help to retool during the draft. No sense in just benching him to save yourself around 2M against the cap.


of course there is reason to bench him instead of trading him. you save yourself millions in cap space and screw over someone who is trying to screw you over.


I don't see the positives in benching Cutler outweighing the negatives. Your at the very least going to garnish a second round pick for him, hell, Tampa was ready to toss their 1st round pick at him earlier this offseason. Going into 2010 which looks like in all likelihood it will be an uncapped year, the cap hit Denver takes from trading Cutler isn't exactly going to cripple them.
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Re: On the topic of Jay Cutler

Postby KyleCleric on Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:04 pm

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/ ... ler-trade/

A couple of weeks ago, Peter King of SI.com reported, almost in passing, that Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler asked to be traded after quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates left for USC. If true, this would make Cutler’s outrage over nearly being traded a tad, shall we say, phony.

Now, John Czarnecki of FOXSports.com adds some meat to the bone, reporting that agent Bus Cook was “begging” the Broncos to trade Cutler before the failed attempt to send him to a new team.

“Denver told him no from the beginning,” Czarnecki writes. “But somehow Cook has been able — how hilarious is this? — to paint Cutler as some victim in the cruel world of NFL trade talk.”
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