Buss: "Kobe Isn't Untouchable"

Buss: "Kobe Isn't Untouchable"

Postby MikeDead on Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:29 am

Buss: Bryant isn't untouchable

Lakers owner says he doesn't want to trade his star player, but he doesn't want to lose him and get nothing in return. He also defends Kupchak.

By Mike Bresnahan, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

October 11, 2007

HONOLULU -- Jerry Buss looked relaxed in a seashell-print shirt and khaki shorts as he sat down near lush hotel grounds of botanical gardens and koi ponds, a paradoxical setting for his frank discussion of the very real possibility that his star player might not be on the team in two years, if not sooner.

The owner of the Lakers spoke publicly for the first time since his team's off-season of disarray, providing details of his involvement and his deepest thoughts during several months' worth of distress signals emitted by Kobe Bryant.

The conversation Wednesday also steered in other directions, touching on his opinion of his front office, whether he would sell the team in coming years, and Coach Phil Jackson's unclear future with the franchise.

Buss, who has presided over eight championships and five other NBA Finals appearances in his 28 previous years of ownership, acknowledged considering offers for Bryant over the summer -- none of them deemed remotely good enough to act upon -- and also conceded that the gaping hole in Bryant's contract could make the nine-time All-Star an ex-Laker by 2009.

Buss, 74, also said Bryant was not necessarily off the table now that the new season had started. Offers will inevitably continue to trickle in, particularly if the Lakers struggle before the February trade deadline.

"I would certainly listen," Buss said. "At any time, I think you have to do that with anybody. It's just part of the game, to listen to somebody who has a dissatisfied player that you think is going to fit. You can't keep too many loyalties. You've got to look at it as a business. He looks at it the same way I look at it."

Bryant has four years and $88.6 million left on his contract, although he can end his Lakers career by terminating his deal in two years. Such a move by Bryant would leave $47.8 million of his money on the table, but would also leave the Lakers without one of the most dynamic players in their 60-year history.

"I tend not to think in basketball terms that many years down the road because things change so dramatically, but he could test the waters at that point," Buss said. "If he still is in that frame of mind, then hopefully we can do a sign-and-trade and get some comparable talent. I would like to think that we win between now and then so that it doesn't come up."

This will be Bryant's 12th season with the Lakers, the former child prodigy now 29 and coming off an eminently vocal summer in which he requested to play for any other team, even if it meant being shipped to Pluto.

Buss tried to talk Bryant out of his mind-set at a June meeting in Barcelona, but Bryant continued to voice concerns about the direction of the franchise and reiterated his demand to be traded.

His unhappiness had steadily grown from the time the Lakers were eliminated by Phoenix in the first round of the playoffs, making it two consecutive first-round knockouts to go with a 121-125 regular-season mark since reaching the NBA Finals in 2004.

"He was very, very respectful," Buss said. "I told him when I walked in that I was going to try to talk him out of it. And he said, 'I'll listen carefully.' And he did.

"He listened very carefully for 30, 45 minutes. I tried to explain to him how much the city of Los Angeles loved him, and that to leave 10 million sweethearts for unknown territory might not be the right thing to do. But when I was finished, he said he basically felt the same way. And I said, 'OK. With that, I will proceed to see what's available.' "

Declining to give specifics, Buss said he might have pulled the trigger on a trade offer that was "within reason."

"You have to get comparable value when you make a trade," he said. "It's very hard to trade somebody like him because people who have enough material to make it worthwhile are usually contenders and they don't want to make the trade.

"What was offered was not ever under consideration. And I told Kobe that. I told him I would try my best to accommodate his wishes, but that I could not afford to let him go unless we got comparable talent, if there is such a thing. . . . I even told him occasionally what I was offered and I said, 'You have to know that this is not in favor of the Lakers. This would just be terrible to do.' And he said, 'I understand.' "


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Postby LAkerfan on Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:58 pm

I couldn't picture Kobe in any other jersey, but at the same time if Kobe was shipped off to a situation where he could win and didn't have an idiot GM running things, I wouldn't be against it. He needs a chance to show that he can still lead a team and be a winner.... he just needs some help.
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Postby flipmeister on Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:08 pm

yeah but if the Lakers ship him off he will be in the same situation as he was here.Why?Cause the team that trades for him will have to give up too much to be a contender.
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Postby KyleCleric on Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:23 pm

flipmeister wrote:yeah but if the Lakers ship him off he will be in the same situation as he was here.Why?Cause the team that trades for him will have to give up too much to be a contender.


True. So whatever team that trades for him will have to give a fraction of Kobe's worth to get him. How about Gilbert Arenas, Oleksiy Pecherov and a first round pick for Kobe?
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Postby flipmeister on Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:55 pm

KyleCleric wrote:
flipmeister wrote:yeah but if the Lakers ship him off he will be in the same situation as he was here.Why?Cause the team that trades for him will have to give up too much to be a contender.


True. So whatever team that trades for him will have to give a fraction of Kobe's worth to get him. How about Gilbert Arenas, Oleksiy Pecherov and a first round pick for Kobe?
That ain't that bad.Except pecherov will be declined in the deal.But I don't see myself buying a Arenas jersey in Purple and Gold.Rather have my old Kobe jersey :jam2:
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Postby KyleCleric on Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:04 pm

Arenas would have to sign an extension in such a deal. Pecherov is necessary as a good young player with lots of potential. The pick is just another piece to add to the Lakers rebuilding. DeShawn Stevenson or Nick Young could be included as well.

Maybe Young and Antawn Jamison for Kobe. That might be better for both teams assuming that extensions are done to ensure Kobe and Jamison stay for each team for a while.
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Postby MikeDead on Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:04 pm

If the Lakers are going to trade Kobe they might as well rebuild around guys like Javaris Crittenton & Andrew Bynum, and try to get as many future firsts and youth with upside in return.
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Postby Heir on Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:45 pm

MikeDead wrote:If the Lakers are going to trade Kobe they might as well rebuild around guys like Javaris Crittenton & Andrew Bynum, and try to get as many future firsts and youth with upside in return.

Duh?
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Postby KyleCleric on Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:02 pm

MikeDead wrote:If the Lakers are going to trade Kobe they might as well rebuild around guys like Javaris Crittenton & Andrew Bynum, and try to get as many future firsts and youth with upside in return.


How about this for a trade between LA and Atlanta?

Kobe Bryant for Tyronn Lue, Zaza Pachulia, Lorenzen Wright, Anthony Johnson, and Josh Smith

Maybe include an Atlanta first round pick or Josh Childress, but the deal above would work without them.

It gives the Lakers two players they can sign long term and go toward their rebuilding process, Zaza and Josh Smith. Smith could be a star. The Lakers clear a ton of salary through the trade allowing cap flexibility. Zaza and Bynum would compete for their future at center. Tyronn Lue is a favorite of Lakers fans. Wright provides depth. Johnson can make the team or be cut.
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Postby apples on Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:36 am

KyleCleric wrote:Arenas would have to sign an extension in such a deal. Pecherov is necessary as a good young player with lots of potential. The pick is just another piece to add to the Lakers rebuilding. DeShawn Stevenson or Nick Young could be included as well.

Maybe Young and Antawn Jamison for Kobe. That might be better for both teams assuming that extensions are done to ensure Kobe and Jamison stay for each team for a while.



NO man HIBACHI is like the best player in the MD i mean if we can get kobe w/o givin gil up man thts a heck of a lineup
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Postby arkanekidd on Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:57 pm

KyleCleric wrote:
MikeDead wrote:If the Lakers are going to trade Kobe they might as well rebuild around guys like Javaris Crittenton & Andrew Bynum, and try to get as many future firsts and youth with upside in return.


How about this for a trade between LA and Atlanta?

Kobe Bryant for Tyronn Lue, Zaza Pachulia, Lorenzen Wright, Anthony Johnson, and Josh Smith

Maybe include an Atlanta first round pick or Josh Childress, but the deal above would work without them.

It gives the Lakers two players they can sign long term and go toward their rebuilding process, Zaza and Josh Smith. Smith could be a star. The Lakers clear a ton of salary through the trade allowing cap flexibility. Zaza and Bynum would compete for their future at center. Tyronn Lue is a favorite of Lakers fans. Wright provides depth. Johnson can make the team or be cut.


the hawks fo is worse than la's fo :man10:
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Postby MikeDead on Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:56 am

Yea the Hawks have the worst front office in the NBA :man10:
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Postby KyleCleric on Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:12 am

MikeDead wrote:Yea the Hawks have the worst front office in the NBA :man10:


Agreed. But what about Philadelphia's?
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