NBA Draft coming up ...

NBA Draft coming up ...

Postby KyleCleric on Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:30 am

NBA Draft coming up ...

Who do the Celtics pick?

They'll need to be very lucky to have one of the better players drop to them. If Brandon Rush, Mario Chalmers, Serge Ibaka, Chris Douglas-Roberts, Alexis Ajinca, or Bill Walker fall to 29, those being the most likely of the early 21 to 26 pick range types to fall, I'd be very pleased. If Robin Lopez or Roy Hibbert or JeVale McGee or even Kosta Koufos fell, I'd be ecstatic.
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Postby apples on Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:34 am

Do they even have a first round pick?? From the KG trade???


Anyways Wizards should take Chase Buddinger or Roy Hibbert if they fall or maybe CDR
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Postby MikeDead on Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:37 am

I'm not sure if the Celtic's keep the pick, outside of the top 10, I really don't see anybody whose going to join the team and make an instant impact really. We still have Gabe Pruitt who spent the majority of last season in the NBDL, so I would expect that he will get some time running the point, since his numbers from down in the NBDL were amazing, I'm not sure he can really learn much more from playing there.

James Posey has an option on his contract, so there's no guarantee that he's back next season, same with Eddie House, so that's going to leave us with some holes to fill if they don't come back.

If we do keep the pick, I don't see much of an option other then drafting a PG prospect, or a bigman prospect.
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Postby apples on Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:40 am

why a guard?? you got rondo...and you do have a pick jus found out..but yeah nobody there is going to make a true impact maybe a james gist or sean singletary will make a 2nd round impact
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Postby MikeDead on Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:42 am

We got Rondo, but outside of him we don't have a real backup PG. I seriously doubt that Sam Casell comes back for another season, and even if he wanted to I'm not so sure that the Celtic's would want him back. Eddie House was a nice player for us all season, but he's not somebody I want running the point, and I'm not sure if the C's resign him. And the thought of Tony Allen running the point makes me cringe.
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Postby arkanekidd on Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:43 am

devon hardin.
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Postby apples on Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:44 am

sean singletary would be nice
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Postby KyleCleric on Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:44 am

apples wrote:Do they even have a first round pick?? From the KG trade???


Anyways Wizards should take Chase Buddinger or Roy Hibbert if they fall or maybe CDR


Buddinger went back to school

The Wizards are in a great position at 18 in the draft. A number of bigs will be going in the teens (and early 20's perhaps) so the Wizards would have the opportunity to draft DeAndre Jordan, Marreese Speights, Darrell Arthur, Roy Hibbert, Kosta Koufos, JeVale McGee, or Robin Lopez. Or they could take one of the good wings, Joe Alexander, Nicolas Batum, or Donte Greene. This is a little too early for CDR especially considering the Wizards needs and the other potentially available talent.
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Postby KyleCleric on Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:47 am

MikeDead wrote:I'm not sure if the Celtic's keep the pick, outside of the top 10, I really don't see anybody whose going to join the team and make an instant impact really. We still have Gabe Pruitt who spent the majority of last season in the NBDL, so I would expect that he will get some time running the point, since his numbers from down in the NBDL were amazing, I'm not sure he can really learn much more from playing there.

James Posey has an option on his contract, so there's no guarantee that he's back next season, same with Eddie House, so that's going to leave us with some holes to fill if they don't come back.

If we do keep the pick, I don't see much of an option other then drafting a PG prospect, or a bigman prospect.


I do have that feeling that Pruitt will play a lot more next season. We definitely haven't seen him too much in the NBA but he has looked very good out there in those few minutes.

Cassell did say that he wanted to come back to the Celtics though I'm not sure that I'd want him back. House and Posey definitely are players I'd want back. Same with Tony.
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Postby KyleCleric on Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:48 am

arkanekidd wrote:devon hardin.


Hardin is a definite possibility. He's someone who could come in right away and pick up some center minutes.
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Postby apples on Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:49 am

KyleCleric wrote:
apples wrote:Do they even have a first round pick?? From the KG trade???


Anyways Wizards should take Chase Buddinger or Roy Hibbert if they fall or maybe CDR


Buddinger went back to school

The Wizards are in a great position at 18 in the draft. A number of bigs will be going in the teens (and early 20's perhaps) so the Wizards would have the opportunity to draft DeAndre Jordan, Marreese Speights, Darrell Arthur, Roy Hibbert, Kosta Koufos, JeVale McGee, or Robin Lopez. Or they could take one of the good wings, Joe Alexander, Nicolas Batum, or Donte Greene. This is a little too early for CDR especially considering the Wizards needs and the other potentially available talent.


yeah true..we need a young big man along with blatche..if blatche doesnt get in trouble he should be good. But we always take the best player avail and even Ernie Grunffield said he would maybe even a guard if Gilbert leaves..
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Postby MikeDead on Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:53 am

I still doubt that Washington let's Arena's walk. I've always thought the Wizards offense runs more smoothly when Gilbert's not running the point, but at this point I'm not so sure they want to let their franchise player walk away, and I'm not so sure that Gilbert would go to a team like the Clippers, Timerwolves or 76ers, those are the teams that at least come to mind that could offer him the contract he's looking for. And he did opt out to get a max deal, so I don't see him taking the full MLE regardless of where it was.
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Postby KyleCleric on Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:55 am

apples wrote:
KyleCleric wrote:
apples wrote:Do they even have a first round pick?? From the KG trade???


Anyways Wizards should take Chase Buddinger or Roy Hibbert if they fall or maybe CDR


Buddinger went back to school

The Wizards are in a great position at 18 in the draft. A number of bigs will be going in the teens (and early 20's perhaps) so the Wizards would have the opportunity to draft DeAndre Jordan, Marreese Speights, Darrell Arthur, Roy Hibbert, Kosta Koufos, JeVale McGee, or Robin Lopez. Or they could take one of the good wings, Joe Alexander, Nicolas Batum, or Donte Greene. This is a little too early for CDR especially considering the Wizards needs and the other potentially available talent.


yeah true..we need a young big man along with blatche..if blatche doesnt get in trouble he should be good. But we always take the best player avail and even Ernie Grunffield said he would maybe even a guard if Gilbert leaves..


BPA (best player available) is a myth. it's made up. no team puts out a list of players in a row that says these are the best available player in order. Teams instead use tier systems. They place players into tiers, chose the player in the highest tier with remaining players and pick from that group. In that group, they chose by position or fit for the team. Most every GM in basketball does their draft this way or something very similar. The only notable exception was the Atlanta Hawks and as a result they drafted Marvin Williams instead of Deron Williams/Chris Paul and Shelden Williams instead of Brandon Roy/Rudy Gay.
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Postby KyleCleric on Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:57 am

MikeDead wrote:I still doubt that Washington let's Arena's walk. I've always thought the Wizards offense runs more smoothly when Gilbert's not running the point, but at this point I'm not so sure they want to let their franchise player walk away, and I'm not so sure that Gilbert would go to a team like the Clippers, Timerwolves or 76ers, those are the teams that at least come to mind that could offer him the contract he's looking for. And he did opt out to get a max deal, so I don't see him taking the full MLE regardless of where it was.


He wants a new max contract and the most money from it. The Wizards then are the likeliest choice, but frankly, I don't think he cares where he plays as long as he gets major money (which of course he'll get).
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Postby apples on Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:01 pm

i think still he takes BPA..last year he couldve taken jason smith big man which we need but he takes a guard nick young which was the BPA...i get what you mean but owuldnt every teeam do that??lol
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Postby KyleCleric on Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:27 pm

apples wrote:i think still he takes BPA..last year he couldve taken jason smith big man which we need but he takes a guard nick young which was the BPA...i get what you mean but owuldnt every teeam do that??lol


Jason Smith and NIck Young were in different tiers.
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Postby flipmeister on Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:48 pm

PS: Serge Ibaka will not be available at 30. You can write that down.
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Postby arkanekidd on Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:52 pm

oh wizards, about arenas...TRADE HIM!

how about to the raptors for jose calderon and anthony parker? you guys get a true allstar caliber PG, and raps get their man in the backcourt
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Postby KyleCleric on Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:24 pm

flipmeister wrote:PS: Serge Ibaka will not be available at 30. You can write that down.


it's certainly possible that he would be. he's likely a mid-20's selection. It would take just 2 or 3 teams preferring players in the 20's that I wouldn't consider and he'd drop to them. That's certainly not impossible. Ante Tomic, Jason Thompson, Davon Jefferson, Nathan Jawaii, JJ Hickson, Courtney Lee, Ryan Anderson, just to name a few.
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Postby KyleCleric on Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:26 pm

How about this for a tier system?

Tier 1:
Derrick Rose
Michael Beasley

Tier 2:
OJ Mayo
Jerryd Bayless
Kevin Love

Tier 3:
Danilo Gallinari
Anthony Randolph
Eric Gordon
Brook Lopez
Russell Westbrook
DJ Augustin

Tier 4:
DeAndre Jordan
Joe Alexander
Donte Greene
Marreese Speights
Darrell Arthur
Nicolas Batum

Tier 5:
Roy Hibbert
Kosta Koufos
JeVale McGee
Robin Lopez

Tier 6:
Brandon Rush
Mario Chalmers
Serge Ibaka
Chris Douglas-Roberts
Alexis Ajinca
Bill Walker

Others:
Jason Thompson
Ryan Anderson
Nathan Jawai
DeVon Hardin
Davon Jefferson
JJ Hickson
Courtney Lee
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