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Postby KyleCleric on Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:22 pm

The Celtics are making a mistake by giving up Jefferson. Adding Green and picks and possibly Gomes, not good. At least we know he'll have to sign an extension that keeps him here for 4 or 5 seasons.
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Postby kobeodom24/7 on Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:24 pm

Lucky BAST^%$S! nah J/K great Trio! I hoope you guys beat the crap out of the Heat, Cavs, & Pistons next year! my nfavorite team in the East now!
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Postby THE_DAGGER on Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:25 pm

Lakers fan here. Just coming in to congratulate you guys on getting KG. It's great for the NBA that the Celtics have become relevant again. I wish your team the best and good luck next season.
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Postby MikeDead on Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:26 pm

KyleCleric wrote:The Celtics are making a mistake by giving up Jefferson. Adding Green and picks and possibly Gomes, not good. At least we know he'll have to sign an extension that keeps him here for 4 or 5 seasons.


I think Jefferson has the potential to be an all-star, but with the Western Confrence bigmen I wouldn't be surprised to see Jefferson fall off. Gerald Green hasn't proved much at all yet except that he can shoot threes and dunk the ball. Telfair and Gomes are bench players at best.

I think this deal hurts our bench but with the MLE still available to us we could add to our bench, and with Allen, Pierce and KG, Im sure veteran players might be more willing to come here now, making our veterans min offer alot more valuable then in previous offseasons.
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Postby KyleCleric on Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:32 pm

They'll need to bring in some other vets. We'll still need a backup point guard, a backup wing, probably another veteran inside player.
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Postby THE_DAGGER on Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:35 pm

On ClubLakers, I remember a poster saying that Al Jefferson would at best be an "Elton Brand", "Carlos Boozer", or "Zach Randolph". I agree with that. Jefferson can be an all-star type player, but never a franchise player. Even if he does become as good as those players mentioned. Wouldn't you trade one of them for KG? I would.

Also, even in giving up Jefferson, Green, Telfair, and Gomes. The Celtics are still left with some nice young players: Rondo, Tony Allen, Powe, and Glen Davis.

Add a player or two with the MLE and/or Vet Min, and the Celtics will have a great roster.
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Postby MikeDead on Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:37 pm

^^ I agree. And in the Western Confrence I wouldn't be surprised to see Jefferson struggle against a better cailbur of bigmen.
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Postby Klewfish on Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:39 pm

I really think the Celtics could have benefited from keeping Gomes, but you can't argue with KG. As for giving up AlJeff. He will be good in the future, but he isn't in the position to help the Celtics win now. The Celtics team prior to KG, a playoff team, possible 2nd round. The Celtics with KG, representatives of the Eastern Conference in the finals. The Celtics had to sacrifice the youth of Jefferson to win now. It doesn't do them any good to be mediocre now with Allen/Pierce, and be mediocre in the future with Jefferson/Rondo/Green. They are looking to win now, especially after seeing that the Eastern Conference doesn't really have a favorite, until now.
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Postby KyleCleric on Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:39 pm

KyleCleric wrote:They'll need to bring in some other vets. We'll still need a backup point guard, a backup wing, probably another veteran inside player.


Royal Ivey
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PJ Brown
Will Blalock
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Chris Webber
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Dikembe Mutombo
Michael Olowokandi
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Jumaine Jones
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Postby MikeDead on Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:40 pm

Klewfish wrote:I really think the Celtics could have benefited from keeping Gomes, but you can't argue with KG. As for giving up AlJeff. He will be good in the future, but he isn't in the position to help the Celtics win now. The Celtics team prior to KG, a playoff team, possible 2nd round. The Celtics with KG, representatives of the Eastern Conference in the finals. The Celtics had to sacrifice the youth of Jefferson to win now. It doesn't do them any good to be mediocre now with Allen/Pierce, and be mediocre in the future with Jefferson/Rondo/Green. They are looking to win now, especially after seeing that the Eastern Conference doesn't really have a favorite, until now.


Yea Gomes is the one piece in the trade that I would have liked to keep most, but its KG so I really can't complain.
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Postby Klewfish on Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:32 pm

KyleCleric wrote:
KyleCleric wrote:They'll need to bring in some other vets. We'll still need a backup point guard, a backup wing, probably another veteran inside player.


Royal Ivey
Jeff McInnis
Derek Anderson
PJ Brown
Will Blalock
Dale Davis
Chris Webber
Matt Barnes
Dikembe Mutombo
Michael Olowokandi
Keith McLeod
Eddie Jones
Gary Payton
James Posey
Eddie House
Devin Brown
Jalen Rose
Jumaine Jones
Ime Udoka
Melvin Ely


And how do the Celtics go about getting them? Webber could come for cheap if he thinks he can win a ring. They should be targeting guys like Webber, Jalen Rose, PJ Brown, Charlie Bell, Danny Fortson. That's my short list. Olowokandi for dirt cheap just to get another big body.
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Postby THE_DAGGER on Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:34 pm

MikeDead wrote:Yea Gomes is the one piece in the trade that I would have liked to keep most, but its KG so I really can't complain.


Can you fill me in on Gomes? From what I've seen of him, he's always reminded me of poor man's Chris Webber. At 6'7", he's not really big and strong enough to play PF night in and night out and he's not really athletic and fast enough to play SF night in and night out.

Is my assessment off? I know he played both PF and SF last year. Which position do you think he's a better fit at?

He seems like a character guy and a hard worker. But, isn't there always going to be a dilemma on where to play him on the floor?
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Postby Ryno on Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:37 pm

Holly Crap it looks as if Ainge has made a couple of good deals this summer. Shocking.
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Postby MikeDead on Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:45 pm

THE_DAGGER wrote:
MikeDead wrote:Yea Gomes is the one piece in the trade that I would have liked to keep most, but its KG so I really can't complain.


Can you fill me in on Gomes? From what I've seen of him, he's always reminded me of poor man's Chris Webber. At 6'7", he's not really big and strong enough to play PF night in and night out and he's not really athletic and fast enough to play SF night in and night out.

Is my assessment off? I know he played both PF and SF last year. Which position do you think he's a better fit at?

He seems like a character guy and a hard worker. But, isn't there always going to be a dilemma on where to play him on the floor?


He's a great role player in the sense that he can play PF/SF and in his rookie year even saw time at Center. He's a little undersized to play PF and he's a little slow to be consistent at SF, but he does alot of things well. His 4 years in college helped him and his extremely fundamentally sound, he has decent range on his jumpshot and he's a decent rebounder, he does alot of things well but nothing great.
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Postby Klewfish on Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:02 pm

Not so fast...
Report: Ainge will not confirm Garnett deal
July 30, 2007

ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA (TICKER) -- The Boston Celtics executive Danny Ainge refuted published reports that an agreement has been reached to acquire superstar Kevin Garnett, according to a report in the Pioneer Press on Monday.

It was reported earlier Monday that the Celtics would send forward Al Jefferson, swingman Gerald Green, point guard Sebastian Telfair, the expiring contract of center Theo Ratliff and at least one future first-round pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves for one of the league's biggest superstars.

But Ainge would not confirm the deal.

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"(The reports) can speculate all they want," he said to the newspaper. "I can confirm we are talking, sure. We're in discussions with (Garnett)."

However, Ainge would not talk about the specifics of their negotiations, opting to remain ambiguous about how close the clubs are to finalizing a deal.

"I'm sure we're one of a few teams that are in discussions with the Timberwolves," Ainge said.

According to the Pioneer Press, McHale had no comment and Garnett's agent, Andy Miller, said the two sides were "in the midst of talking things through."

The Boston Globe reported that one of the sticking points is the $24 million player option that Garnett holds for the 2008-09 season. He also has the right to opt out of his $22 million contract after next season.

Before June's draft, executives Ainge and McHale - good friends from their playing days in Boston - also engaged in trade talks. But the option on Garnett's contract, along with his hesitancy to play in Boston, were major factors in the deal not being completed.
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Postby KyleCleric on Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:04 pm

Well then there is some hope.
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Postby THE_DAGGER on Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:43 pm

MikeDead wrote:He's a great role player in the sense that he can play PF/SF and in his rookie year even saw time at Center. He's a little undersized to play PF and he's a little slow to be consistent at SF, but he does alot of things well. His 4 years in college helped him and his extremely fundamentally sound, he has decent range on his jumpshot and he's a decent rebounder, he does alot of things well but nothing great.


Yeah, it is always nice to have great role players. But, look on the bright, with Gomes gone, and I think you'll agree with me considering your signature, Powe will get more playing time.

I really like Powe. I believe he's 6'7" like Gomes, but he makes up for the lack of height, with a long wingspan and a little athleticism. He has great post skills, and a good "motor' as Jay Bilas would put it.

He reminds me of another PF that came out of Cal in Shareef Abdur-Rahim (Which is good thing, despite how Shareef has done in the last couple of years.)

KG and Powe would be a nice PF rotation.
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Postby MikeDead on Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:15 pm

THE_DAGGER wrote:
MikeDead wrote:He's a great role player in the sense that he can play PF/SF and in his rookie year even saw time at Center. He's a little undersized to play PF and he's a little slow to be consistent at SF, but he does alot of things well. His 4 years in college helped him and his extremely fundamentally sound, he has decent range on his jumpshot and he's a decent rebounder, he does alot of things well but nothing great.


Yeah, it is always nice to have great role players. But, look on the bright, with Gomes gone, and I think you'll agree with me considering your signature, Powe will get more playing time.

I really like Powe. I believe he's 6'7" like Gomes, but he makes up for the lack of height, with a long wingspan and a little athleticism. He has great post skills, and a good "motor' as Jay Bilas would put it.

He reminds me of another PF that came out of Cal in Shareef Abdur-Rahim (Which is good thing, despite how Shareef has done in the last couple of years.)

KG and Powe would be a nice PF rotation.


Yea Im a big fan of Powe, and with his great play in the summer league I expect him to see some consistent playing time this year.
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Postby KyleCleric on Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:20 pm

If Gomes is gone, then he'll have to play a lot. He'd be the third best inside player on the team.
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Postby MikeDead on Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:21 pm

KyleCleric wrote:If Gomes is gone, then he'll have to play a lot. He'd be the third best inside player on the team.


I don't know if I'd consider Perk to be better then Powe. Perkins needs to show me that he's capable of staying out of foul trouble before I'll start taking him seriously.
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